Re: [ALSC-Forum] Self-regulation and ICANN

[Jim Fleming]

The "toy" IPv4 Internet is a sewer.
IPv8 is designed to be a swamp to cover the sewer.
IPv16 is the "high-ground"....

...here are some links...

Jim Fleming
http://www.unir.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Daryl Tempesta" <lyradius@yahoo.com>
To: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>; "Mikael Pawlo"
<mikael@pawlo.com>
Cc: <forum@atlargestudy.org>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] Self-regulation and ICANN


>
> If there was a system to manage structure (tlds, IP,
> protocalls) instead of  means (politics) there would
> be far less clamoring for control. because you could
> add hundreds of TLDs. thus dividing power to the
> masses.
>
> Simply by adding hundreds of TLDs, representing all of
>  the groups that this body is trying to decide, they
> would eventually begin to behave like de-facto
> political party.
>
> One TLD group associated with this or that group. And
> it is starting to happen with .coop. Soon they will
> have a collective voice.
>
> Or you could continue to try to design something that
> can neither avoid political control, nor be
> successfully democratically ruled.
>
> Even the US has a balance of power and you can see it
> is hardly perfect. Power is derived by scarcity, there
> is no scarcity which isnt artificial on the internet.
>
> Just and idea.
>
>
>
> --- Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mikael and all stakeholders or interested parties,
> >
> >   We would agree that 100% industry self regulation
> > is pure
> > folly.  I has never worked historically in the US or
> > in any
> > other country.  A partnership with governments is
> > necessary.
> >
> > Mikael Pawlo wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Esther Dyson wrote:
> > > > Mikael, hi.   Most people do not consider the UN
> > a model of transparency or
> > > > accountability. We are trying to design
> > something that *would* work as such
> > > > a model, and that therefore would earn
> > legitimacy without inheriting it
> > > > from governments of questionable legitimacy.
> > >
> > > I find it hard to believe that ICANN could exist
> > without the co-operation
> > > or at least the acceptance of the national
> > governments, no matter how
> > > questionable their legitimacy as you put it (the
> > issue of the .kids domain
> > > is a good illustration of this and it will be most
> > interesting to follow
> > > the development in that respect). Further, most
> > governments do - in my
> > > opinion - represent their citizens. Maybe one
> > should try to improve
> > > democracy in the states lacking thereof, but
> > creating a global body of
> > > corporations, non-profit organizations,
> > individuals, governments and other
> > > constituencies is task that would make the stone
> > of Sisyphos look like a
> > > ping-pong ball.
> > >
> > > When it comes to the UN I can appreciate the
> > reluctant attitude towards
> > > it, expressed by many US citizens, but it still
> > has - at least in
> > > theory - some built-in mechanisms for
> > accountability, international
> > > representation and transparancy through it's
> > members.
> > >
> > > I am not sure the UN is the appropriate forum for
> > the ICANN function, but
> > > an international body created by governments is -
> > again in my point of
> > > view - a more reasonable road to travel than pure
> > self-regulation. The
> > > function as such might not be suitable for
> > self-regulation in the way you
> > > and others promote.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Mikael
> > >
> > >
> >
> _________________________________________________________________________
> > >
> > >   ICQ:35638414
> > mailto:mikael@pawlo.com
> > >   +46-70 421 58 25
> > http://www.pawlo.com/
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 118k members strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA
> > Development Eng.
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> >
>
>
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