Re: [ALSC-Forum] Self-regulation and ICANN

[Jeff Williams]

Esther and all stakeholders or interested parties,

Esther Dyson wrote:

> You're right, there is no scarcity of potential domain names.....you can
> always add new TLDs, or in extremis put a 1 in front of every word (as they
> do with phone numbers).etc.
>
> But there *is* a scarcity of space in people's heads, which is why
> trademarks are not *artificially* scarce, but in fact reflect the scarcity
> of attention.

  There is only a scarcity in peoples heads if they are lacking brain matter.
Fortunately I and most people I know, don't suffer from such a lack.  For
those whom have a problem in keeping track or TLD's or Domain names
there are a number of software tools by which this concern can serve
as an aid.

> And because domain names get some of their value by
> association with trademarks, there *is* a scarcity (inversely related to
> value)  vis a vis domain names that matters.

  Whether or not a Domain Name is trademarked is not real relevant
to it's value as a number of domain names in the adult entertainment
industry are good examples of.

>
>
> Esther
>
> At 08:39 PM 7/16/2001, Daryl Tempesta wrote:
>
> >If there was a system to manage structure (tlds, IP,
> >protocalls) instead of  means (politics) there would
> >be far less clamoring for control. because you could
> >add hundreds of TLDs. thus dividing power to the
> >masses.
> >
> >Simply by adding hundreds of TLDs, representing all of
> >  the groups that this body is trying to decide, they
> >would eventually begin to behave like de-facto
> >political party.
> >
> >One TLD group associated with this or that group. And
> >it is starting to happen with .coop. Soon they will
> >have a collective voice.
> >
> >Or you could continue to try to design something that
> >can neither avoid political control, nor be
> >successfully democratically ruled.
> >
> >Even the US has a balance of power and you can see it
> >is hardly perfect. Power is derived by scarcity, there
> >is no scarcity which isnt artificial on the internet.
> >
> >Just and idea.
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mikael and all stakeholders or interested parties,
> > >
> > >   We would agree that 100% industry self regulation
> > > is pure
> > > folly.  I has never worked historically in the US or
> > > in any
> > > other country.  A partnership with governments is
> > > necessary.
> > >
> > > Mikael Pawlo wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Esther Dyson wrote:
> > > > > Mikael, hi.   Most people do not consider the UN
> > > a model of transparency or
> > > > > accountability. We are trying to design
> > > something that *would* work as such
> > > > > a model, and that therefore would earn
> > > legitimacy without inheriting it
> > > > > from governments of questionable legitimacy.
> > > >
> > > > I find it hard to believe that ICANN could exist
> > > without the co-operation
> > > > or at least the acceptance of the national
> > > governments, no matter how
> > > > questionable their legitimacy as you put it (the
> > > issue of the .kids domain
> > > > is a good illustration of this and it will be most
> > > interesting to follow
> > > > the development in that respect). Further, most
> > > governments do - in my
> > > > opinion - represent their citizens. Maybe one
> > > should try to improve
> > > > democracy in the states lacking thereof, but
> > > creating a global body of
> > > > corporations, non-profit organizations,
> > > individuals, governments and other
> > > > constituencies is task that would make the stone
> > > of Sisyphos look like a
> > > > ping-pong ball.
> > > >
> > > > When it comes to the UN I can appreciate the
> > > reluctant attitude towards
> > > > it, expressed by many US citizens, but it still
> > > has - at least in
> > > > theory - some built-in mechanisms for
> > > accountability, international
> > > > representation and transparancy through it's
> > > members.
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure the UN is the appropriate forum for
> > > the ICANN function, but
> > > > an international body created by governments is -
> > > again in my point of
> > > > view - a more reasonable road to travel than pure
> > > self-regulation. The
> > > > function as such might not be suitable for
> > > self-regulation in the way you
> > > > and others promote.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Mikael
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >_________________________________________________________________________
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> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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