Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: Another model to consider

[Jeff Williams]

Thomas and all stakeholders or interested parties,

Thomas Roessler wrote:

> Esther Dyson said:
>
> >>There's a third alternative. Sign up for an aliased e-mail list,
> >>so that you can be reached only through that list.  Then create
> >>a mechanism for a variety of third-party mailing lists.
>
> Karl Auerbach responded:
>
> >That technique is useful, but it is not sufficient.
>
> >The sine qua non is that members must be able reach one another
> >privately, in secret, and without tipping off those who are in
> >opposition of what is afoot.
>
> I have a problem with your logic - how is this supposed to work?
> You want to deal, privately, in secret, with someone you don't know
> - except from the voters' address list?  With someone you didn't
> ever communicate with before?  With someone who didn't ever comment
> in public?  This doesn't make sense to me.

  Makes perfect sense to me, except for the "Secret" part.  That
term, "Secret" has implications that are misleading perhaps.
None the less, I frequently initiate new communications
with people I have never met, never participated in any public
forum with, not have ever heard of before in business transactions
of various sorts.  Why should this not make sense?  It is done
every day!

>
>
> (Note that I'm assuming that those who actually contribute to
> discussions on a mailing list like the one Esther describes will
> normally disclose their identity, and can thus be contacted.  I may
> be misunderstanding what she calls an "aliased e-mail list".)

  I am not sure what Esther meant by "aliased e-mail list" either.
None the less some amount of privacy should and must be
afforded participants, despite Kent Crispins contention on this
thread earlier, which I also responded to.  This does NOT
mean that their names should not be known, just that any
personal information such as Date of birth, Address, Phone Number,
and other personal information is not necessary.

>
>
> >It is this ability to act in the background that is frequently
> >necessary for two people, or groups, to take what are often very
> >difficult steps to begin to reach compromise.  That kind of
> >tentative outreach can easily wither if it is forced to occur on a
> >public mailing list.
>
> It would wither as well if it was performed by means which roughly
> have the same characteristics as spam.
>
> "Hello, I'm KARL, and YOU are on the VOTERS ROLL.  You don't know
> me, I don't know you, but I'd like to DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING
> CONFIDENTIAL AND SECRET ISSUES about a WORLD-DOMINATING CONSPIRACY
> with you..." ;-)

  Oh please Thomas!  Get a grip on reality!

>
>
> --
> Thomas Roessler                        http://log.does-not-exist.org/

Regards,

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