Re: [ALSC-Forum] Draft report - statistics and "fraud"

[L Gallegos]

On 29 Aug 2001, at 19:23, Adam PEAKE wrote:
Mike:
 
see below:

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> Mike Roberts wrote:
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> > At 0:16 +0900 8/29/01, Adam PEAKE wrote:
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> > Adam - this part of your note is incorrect.  No one had a pin letter
> > mailed to them if they were in a suspected fraud status.  Those
> > 9,721 individuals, and others who didn't get their letters but ICANN
> > did not get them returned, are part of the "registered but did not
> > activate" group, which totaled 67,230 persons.  (143,806 - 76,183).
> > 

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> Mike, 
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> The 33,043 registrations removed from the database included 10,334
> letter bounces, <http://www.atlargestudy.org/stats/summary1.shtml>.
> What does "letter bounces" mean, and why were they placed in the
> suspected fraud status?
> 
> I was guessing that the returned "9,721 pin letters" the ALSC report
> referred to were among of the 10,334 "letter bounces." Incorrect
> guess?
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> Other records were removed from the database (for suspected or real
> fraud) for reasons described as email bounces, duplicates entries,
> administrative holds, and bad format. For the community and study
> committee to be able to consider future election mechanisms we really
> must be able to understand if fraud, reasonably suspected or proven,
> occurred, and occurred in what circumstances. To simply brand these
> 33,043 registrations as fraudulent is just plain wrong. 
> 

What is "bad format?"  What were the reasons for "administrative 
hold?"  Email bounces can occur for many reasons, not the least 
of which is a server glitch or net problems.  Duplicate entries could 
have occurred for several reasons including the fact that it took 
mulitple attempts to register for thousands of people.  How much 
follow up has be done to ascertain actual cause?  How many 
retries were attempted?

Since this is all about the at-large, I think all of us would like to 
know more in keeping with open and transparent operations.

Leah

> Thanks,
> 
> Adam
> 
> Adam Peake
> GLOCOM Tokyo
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> 
> > - Mike
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