Re: [ALSC-Forum] One Person -> One member

[Esther Dyson]

where did I disagree with you? As I said below, the woman working for Intel 
can vote as she pleases, following intel's suggestion or not.

Esther

At 10:53 PM 9/3/2001, Eric Dierker wrote:
>Horse pucky,
>
>If a woman supports her family by working in an Intel board manufacturing 
>plant
>and votes in a way to keep her job and feed her family you ain't got no 
>right to
>say otherwise.  Bless you, but just once can't you ivory tower idiots step 
>down
>and feel the working woman's pain. We may not have silver spoons and may 
>even use
>chopsticks.
>
>But you quit playing determiner and leave it at one person one vote.  Stop 
>using
>protecting us as an excuse to exclude us.
>
>Eric
>
>Esther Dyson wrote:
>
> > We not *want* or expect the company to get "its" 4711 votes.  (They don't
> > belong to the company...) As in many other elections, companies can try to
> > persuade people to vote in a particular way, but we are expecting people to
> > vote as *individuals,* not as employees.  If companies start trying to tell
> > their employees how to vote, it will probably backfire. One issue (among
> > many) on which we are seeking input is what kind of rules if any might be
> > appropriate to  govern such situations.
> >
> > Esther
> >
> > At 07:40 PM 9/2/2001, Mikael Pawlo wrote:
> > >At 19.15 -0400 01-09-02, Esther Dyson wrote:
> > > >Trying to answer...
> > > >But I don't understand this:
> > > >>Why would you try to define a Member out of a private individual in 
> this
> > > >>way and why the restriction on multiple registrations?
> > > >because maybe the statement wasn't clear (I thought it 
> was)?  Anyway, the
> > > >*restriction* on multiple registrations means one individual gets 
> (to sign
> > > >up for) one vote (= membership)
> > >(---)
> > >
> > >Yes, I understand that - but why involve an individual like this at 
> all? If
> > >a company holds, say 4711 domain names, the company needs to distribute
> > >it's names to 4711 employees in order to obtain the 4711 votes
> > >corresponding to the domain names held by the company. If the company is a
> > >SME it will not be able to collect all it's votes without outside help. If
> > >an individual is the holder of 2 domain names, he will only get 1 vote
> > >without outside help. Do you want this effect--which is very large
> > >corporation friendly--to occur, and if so - why?
> > >
> > > >On the second point, why is this approach better than e-mail addresses:
> > > >The requirement to hold a domain name (among other things) reflects:
> > > >***the use of registrars (including ccTLD registrars worldwide) for 
> initial
> > > >outreach/sign-up (decentralization, a natural alignment of 
> involvement with
> > > >ICANN among registrars and registrants that is lacking with e-mail 
> address
> > > >providers, etc.)
> > > >***a certain amount of process, including data requirements and privacy
> > > >options, to deter frivolous registrations
> > > >***registrars' ability to collect and handle fees
> > > >***registrants'/Members' direct stake in the namespace.
> > >
> > >This part I get (I do not agree, but I understand the reasoning), it 
> is the
> > >individual part I do not get.
> > >
> > > >this is not an official answer, but it more or less reflects our
> > > >thinking.  And as noted, our thinking is still at the "draft" stage.
> > >
> > >Thanks for your constant effort.
> > >
> > >Regards
> > >
> > >Mikael Pawlo
> > >
> > >_________________________________________________________________________
> > >
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> >
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Esther Dyson			Always make new mistakes!
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writer, Release 3.0 (on Website below)
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