Re: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development

[Kiyoshi Tsuru]

Dear Esther:

You've pointed out very clearly the problem: "perceived or actual lack of
legitimacy". Whether it is perceived or real is not that relevant when it
comes to the fate of ICANN, because the result would be the same in the long
run (you also pointed that out): Death (and probably chaos). None of us
wants that. We want a solid, robust, healthy organization.

I do not know whether the Internet community around the World is willing to
take a request for faith-credit. In my humble opinion, the members of this
community would have more confidence in a proposal (even if it involved a
lot of work from volunteers, representatives and local communities), that
would seem likely to materialize in the short term.

But if the ALSC proposal is discarded ab initio, the message that is being
sent out does not create a scenario of credibility. After all, ICANN was
created based on the Bottom-up representation philosophy.

Lack of confidence only serves to support those factions that seek
fragmentation of the DNS. And we know that such a result is not
technologically possible, nor desirable.

Is it possible to narrow down the list of elements that are necessary in
order to create the ALSO and to have a satisfactory election, and then to
discuss with the Board how to achieve them? (how many resources need to be
particularly destined to this end and how they will be obtained,  what are
the parameters to be applied in order for an authentication system to be
deemed reasonably effective, pros and cons regarding the requirement to be a
domain name holder/contact, etc).

Whatever our personal view is, we need to contribute to the strenghtening of
ICANN, for the sake of stability and growth. How can  we attain this?

Take care,

Kiyoshi Tsuru


----- Original Message -----
From: "Esther Dyson" <edyson@edventure.com>
To: "Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>
Cc: <forum@atlargestudy.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:16 PM
Subject: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development


>
> Judith,
>
> I am not jumping to conclusions yet. I don't know what Joe has or has not
> said or done, nor do I know how other people (including the board) will
> react to whatever proposal he may have floated.
>
> As a member of the ALSC, I'm committed to trying to pull together an
> At-Large so that ICANN can become a better organization over time rather
> than die because of perceived or actual lack of legitimacy. Indeed if
> people do not believe in it, it will wither up and die, but people need to
> give it a little faith-credit right now.
>
>  From my perspective, I will treat this whole episode as a plot to
persuade
> people that they have to get a little more cohesive and pledge to support
> an At-Large Membership even if they dislike some details, or they may
> entirely miss the chance to improve ICANN into what they want it to
> be.  [this is a joke, folks, but not entirely]
>
> As Hilaire Belloc said:
> "Hold tightly to the hand of Nurse
> For fear of finding something worse!"
>
> Esther
>
> At 06:52 PM 2/19/2002, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
> >Then how do you feel about commiting your valuable time and energy to the
> >At Large, only to find that Sims has already written it out of ICANN's
> >plans?
> >
> >As a member of the ALSC, were you advised of Sims' presentation?   If
not,
> >can you explain any justification for committee members being duped into
> >misrepresenting plans for At Large to the public?
> >
> >Judith
> >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Esther Dyson [mailto:edyson@edventure.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:23 PM
> > > To: Judith Oppenheimer
> > > Subject: Re: Sims/EU development
> > >
> > >
> > > sorry, I don't know.  (QUick, but not useful....!)
> > >
> > > Esther
> > >
> > > At 10:28 AM 2/19/2002, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
> > > >Esther,
> > > >
> > > >An EU source reports that Joe Sims was in Brussels today for
> > > a closed door
> > > >meeting with Christopher Wilkinson and some other European Commission
> > > >members.
> > > >
> > > >Sims presented plans for a complete restructuring of the
> > > ICANN board, sans
> > > >At Large, with government representatives on the board, and
> > > new models of
> > > >ASO, PSO and partial DNSO.
> > > >
> > > >I understand Sims will present this (report back?) to the board this
> > > >weekend.
> > > >
> > > >Is Sims working independently, or in collaboration with you
> > > and/or ICANN
> > > >staff?  What else can you tell me about this development?
> > > I'd appreciate
> > > >your response ASAP, thanks.
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >
> > > >Judith
> > > >
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