RE: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development

[Judith Oppenheimer]

Karl,

> I personally don't want ICANN to create anything more than the basic
> at-large registration and voting system (with the ancillary
> mechanisms for
> candidates to sign up to be on the ballot.)

Just for the record, I agree that this is how it should be done.

Also for the record, I've no doubt you weren't privy to these
conversations, but Mike Roberts claims they have taken place, and he brings
up the "governments" factor:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Roberts [mailto:mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:23 PM
> To: Judith Oppenheimer
> Cc: Mr Pindar Wong
> Subject: RE: Sims/EU development
> Importance: High

> ... Participation in the
> ALSC meetings, forums, lists, studies, etc has been far short of the
> level that governments and others with significant leverage on ICANN
> consider necessary.  In Marina del Rey, my understanding of the Board's
private
> discussions - I was not there so this is hearsay information - is
> that the Board members were unable to reach consensus on the ALSC
> recommendations... a sophisticated observer of these types of politically
> charged organizational debates ... can draw correct
> conclusions about the range of options confronting the Board at this
> point and the stakeholder interests behind them.

I don't get the impression that Sims "floated a proposal" that select board
members (ExCom and/or staff) did not sign off on, or were not aware of.  As
Michael Froomkin wrote today
(http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=554&mode=&order=0&thold=0), "...
I have little doubt that no lawyer for an organization would express views
regarding the fundamental existence of his client to a major government
agency unless he had at least cleared them in principle with his client"

Judith

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Auerbach [mailto:karl@cavebear.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8:30 PM
> To: Esther Dyson
> Cc: Judith Oppenheimer; forum@atlargestudy.org
> Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development
>
>
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Esther Dyson wrote:
>
> > I am not jumping to conclusions yet. I don't know what Joe
> has or has not
> > said or done, nor do I know how other people (including the
> board) will
> > react to whatever proposal he may have floated.
>
> As a member of the Board of Directors I can attest to the
> fact that I know
> nothing about what was proposed; that no summary or notice of
> this was
> given to me; and that I am aware of no board discussion of,
> much less any
> board decision upon, these issues.
>
> > From my perspective, I will treat this whole episode as a
> plot to persuade
> > people that they have to get a little more cohesive and
> pledge to support
> > an At-Large Membership even if they dislike some details,
> or they may
> > entirely miss the chance to improve ICANN into what they want it to
> > be.  [this is a joke, folks, but not entirely]
>
> I very much agree with you - there are too many out here who
> expect the
> at-large to be organized for them by ICANN.
>
> I personally don't want ICANN to create anything more than the basic
> at-large registration and voting system (with the ancillary
> mechanisms for
> candidates to sign up to be on the ballot.)  Those are
> already non-trivial
> cost items, but they are ones of sufficiently constrained scope that
> ICANN, as an entity, ought to bear the costs as part of the
> price of its
> existance.
>
> It is my preference that ICANN then leave the at-large to
> either coelese
> or fade on its own initiative; to build its own internal
> structures, its
> own communication structures, and everything else using its
> own efforts.
> That this is possible was demonstrated by the very useful
> communications
> systems that were created by third parties during the last set of
> elections.
>
> The key to make this possible is the availability of the
> voter/membership
> rolls.
>
> ICANN should make elections possible; the at-large itself make them a
> reality.
>
> 		--karl--
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