RE: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development -- CALL TO ACTION/PLEDGE

[Judith Oppenheimer]

Kiyoshi,

I see that you're a WIPO UDRP panelist, located in Washington DC.

Is this activity the extent of your interest in the DNS?

(And if I may ask, were you by chance at the Aspen Conference in Washington
today?)


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kiyoshi Tsuru [mailto:ktsuru@msn.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 4:39 PM
> To: Esther Dyson
> Cc: Judith Oppenheimer; forum@atlargestudy.org
> Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development -- CALL TO
> ACTION/PLEDGE
>
>
> Sounds fair, straightforward and feasible. Count me in for
> the volunteer
> work.
>
> Kiyoshi
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Esther Dyson" <edyson@edventure.com>
> To: "Kiyoshi Tsuru" <ktsuru@msn.com>
> Cc: "Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>;
> <forum@atlargestudy.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development -- CALL TO
> ACTION/PLEDGE
>
>
> > The suggestion is not for faith-credit to the ALSC, but to the AL
> > Membership itself. You/we/all of us need to go ahead and
> create it, and
> > that will require some faith, because it does not yet
> exist.  (That is the
> > essence of any start-up.  many of them begin without a
> single document,
> and
> > get more official later.
> >
> > *However,* start-ups are generally not bottom- up, though
> they come from
> > the bottom.  THey have a leader or two, who rallies others
> round.  The
> > culture ma be more or less participative, but there are
> usually a few
> > people who do what Pindar is doing now: They say, "Follow
> me!" and people
> > have enough trust to follow them.
> >
> > This has been the problem  (well, *one* of the problems!)
> with ICANN. (and
> > I say this after some long experience....) Bottom-up should not mean
> > leaderless; it should mean that there are many potential
> leaders (or as
> > many as want to be, and none pre-anointed) and the
> person/group with the
> > most persuasive proposition gets support and moves forward.
> If it loses
> > that support, other leaders can emerge.
> >
> > So, I think it's time for the ALSC to stop looking for an illusory
> > consensus to present to the board, and to move forward more
> aggressively
> to
> > create some leadership - and some credible signs that an
> ALM will emerge -
> > and present not a fait accompli on the one hand nor a plan
> on the other,
> > but a genuine work in progress.
> >
> > It's time for the ALM to start organizing itself rather
> than to argue
> about
> > how to organize.   As Karl points out in another message,
> all ICANN needs
> > to provide is some scaffolding and some formal commitment
> to listening to
> > the ALM and allowing it to seat directors with votes.  The
> structure/soul
> > of the ALM should be up to its members (as should the
> funding for most of
> > its activities).
> >
> > In that spirit, I want to follow/work with/join/strengthen Pindar's
> > initiative.  And given that I have enough money (believe
> me, I have better
> > ways to get rich than associating with ICANN!), I pledge
> $10,000 to the
> > operations of the ALM once it is formed.  The formation will require
> > minimum funds and a lot of volunteer work (which I am also
> giving), but
> the
> > operations will require paid work.
> >
> > Esther
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:10 PM 2/19/2002, Kiyoshi Tsuru wrote:
> > >Dear Esther:
> > >
> > >You've pointed out very clearly the problem: "perceived or
> actual lack of
> > >legitimacy". Whether it is perceived or real is not that
> relevant when it
> > >comes to the fate of ICANN, because the result would be
> the same in the
> long
> > >run (you also pointed that out): Death (and probably
> chaos). None of us
> > >wants that. We want a solid, robust, healthy organization.
> > >
> > >I do not know whether the Internet community around the
> World is willing
> to
> > >take a request for faith-credit. In my humble opinion, the
> members of
> this
> > >community would have more confidence in a proposal (even
> if it involved a
> > >lot of work from volunteers, representatives and local
> communities), that
> > >would seem likely to materialize in the short term.
> > >
> > >But if the ALSC proposal is discarded ab initio, the
> message that is
> being
> > >sent out does not create a scenario of credibility. After
> all, ICANN was
> > >created based on the Bottom-up representation philosophy.
> > >
> > >Lack of confidence only serves to support those factions that seek
> > >fragmentation of the DNS. And we know that such a result is not
> > >technologically possible, nor desirable.
> > >
> > >Is it possible to narrow down the list of elements that
> are necessary in
> > >order to create the ALSO and to have a satisfactory
> election, and then to
> > >discuss with the Board how to achieve them? (how many
> resources need to
> be
> > >particularly destined to this end and how they will be
> obtained,  what
> are
> > >the parameters to be applied in order for an
> authentication system to be
> > >deemed reasonably effective, pros and cons regarding the
> requirement to
> be a
> > >domain name holder/contact, etc).
> > >
> > >Whatever our personal view is, we need to contribute to
> the strenghtening
> of
> > >ICANN, for the sake of stability and growth. How can  we
> attain this?
> > >
> > >Take care,
> > >
> > >Kiyoshi Tsuru
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Esther Dyson" <edyson@edventure.com>
> > >To: "Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>
> > >Cc: <forum@atlargestudy.org>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:16 PM
> > >Subject: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Judith,
> > > >
> > > > I am not jumping to conclusions yet. I don't know what
> Joe has or has
> not
> > > > said or done, nor do I know how other people (including
> the board)
> will
> > > > react to whatever proposal he may have floated.
> > > >
> > > > As a member of the ALSC, I'm committed to trying to
> pull together an
> > > > At-Large so that ICANN can become a better organization
> over time
> rather
> > > > than die because of perceived or actual lack of
> legitimacy. Indeed if
> > > > people do not believe in it, it will wither up and die,
> but people
> need to
> > > > give it a little faith-credit right now.
> > > >
> > > >  From my perspective, I will treat this whole episode
> as a plot to
> > >persuade
> > > > people that they have to get a little more cohesive and
> pledge to
> support
> > > > an At-Large Membership even if they dislike some
> details, or they may
> > > > entirely miss the chance to improve ICANN into what
> they want it to
> > > > be.  [this is a joke, folks, but not entirely]
> > > >
> > > > As Hilaire Belloc said:
> > > > "Hold tightly to the hand of Nurse
> > > > For fear of finding something worse!"
> > > >
> > > > Esther
> > > >
> > > > At 06:52 PM 2/19/2002, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
> > > > >Then how do you feel about commiting your valuable
> time and energy to
> the
> > > > >At Large, only to find that Sims has already written it out of
> ICANN's
> > > > >plans?
> > > > >
> > > > >As a member of the ALSC, were you advised of Sims'
> presentation?   If
> > >not,
> > > > >can you explain any justification for committee
> members being duped
> into
> > > > >misrepresenting plans for At Large to the public?
> > > > >
> > > > >Judith
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Esther Dyson [mailto:edyson@edventure.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:23 PM
> > > > > > To: Judith Oppenheimer
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Sims/EU development
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sorry, I don't know.  (QUick, but not useful....!)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Esther
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 10:28 AM 2/19/2002, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
> > > > > > >Esther,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >An EU source reports that Joe Sims was in Brussels
> today for
> > > > > > a closed door
> > > > > > >meeting with Christopher Wilkinson and some other European
> Commission
> > > > > > >members.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Sims presented plans for a complete restructuring of the
> > > > > > ICANN board, sans
> > > > > > >At Large, with government representatives on the board, and
> > > > > > new models of
> > > > > > >ASO, PSO and partial DNSO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I understand Sims will present this (report back?)
> to the board
> this
> > > > > > >weekend.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Is Sims working independently, or in collaboration with you
> > > > > > and/or ICANN
> > > > > > >staff?  What else can you tell me about this development?
> > > > > > I'd appreciate
> > > > > > >your response ASAP, thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Judith
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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