Re: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development -- CALL TO ACTION/PLEDGE

[Kiyoshi Tsuru]

Sounds fair, straightforward and feasible. Count me in for the volunteer
work.

Kiyoshi


----- Original Message -----
From: "Esther Dyson" <edyson@edventure.com>
To: "Kiyoshi Tsuru" <ktsuru@msn.com>
Cc: "Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>;
<forum@atlargestudy.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development -- CALL TO ACTION/PLEDGE


> The suggestion is not for faith-credit to the ALSC, but to the AL
> Membership itself. You/we/all of us need to go ahead and create it, and
> that will require some faith, because it does not yet exist.  (That is the
> essence of any start-up.  many of them begin without a single document,
and
> get more official later.
>
> *However,* start-ups are generally not bottom- up, though they come from
> the bottom.  THey have a leader or two, who rallies others round.  The
> culture ma be more or less participative, but there are usually a few
> people who do what Pindar is doing now: They say, "Follow me!" and people
> have enough trust to follow them.
>
> This has been the problem  (well, *one* of the problems!) with ICANN. (and
> I say this after some long experience....) Bottom-up should not mean
> leaderless; it should mean that there are many potential leaders (or as
> many as want to be, and none pre-anointed) and the person/group with the
> most persuasive proposition gets support and moves forward. If it loses
> that support, other leaders can emerge.
>
> So, I think it's time for the ALSC to stop looking for an illusory
> consensus to present to the board, and to move forward more aggressively
to
> create some leadership - and some credible signs that an ALM will emerge -
> and present not a fait accompli on the one hand nor a plan on the other,
> but a genuine work in progress.
>
> It's time for the ALM to start organizing itself rather than to argue
about
> how to organize.   As Karl points out in another message, all ICANN needs
> to provide is some scaffolding and some formal commitment to listening to
> the ALM and allowing it to seat directors with votes.  The structure/soul
> of the ALM should be up to its members (as should the funding for most of
> its activities).
>
> In that spirit, I want to follow/work with/join/strengthen Pindar's
> initiative.  And given that I have enough money (believe me, I have better
> ways to get rich than associating with ICANN!), I pledge $10,000 to the
> operations of the ALM once it is formed.  The formation will require
> minimum funds and a lot of volunteer work (which I am also giving), but
the
> operations will require paid work.
>
> Esther
>
>
>
>
> At 09:10 PM 2/19/2002, Kiyoshi Tsuru wrote:
> >Dear Esther:
> >
> >You've pointed out very clearly the problem: "perceived or actual lack of
> >legitimacy". Whether it is perceived or real is not that relevant when it
> >comes to the fate of ICANN, because the result would be the same in the
long
> >run (you also pointed that out): Death (and probably chaos). None of us
> >wants that. We want a solid, robust, healthy organization.
> >
> >I do not know whether the Internet community around the World is willing
to
> >take a request for faith-credit. In my humble opinion, the members of
this
> >community would have more confidence in a proposal (even if it involved a
> >lot of work from volunteers, representatives and local communities), that
> >would seem likely to materialize in the short term.
> >
> >But if the ALSC proposal is discarded ab initio, the message that is
being
> >sent out does not create a scenario of credibility. After all, ICANN was
> >created based on the Bottom-up representation philosophy.
> >
> >Lack of confidence only serves to support those factions that seek
> >fragmentation of the DNS. And we know that such a result is not
> >technologically possible, nor desirable.
> >
> >Is it possible to narrow down the list of elements that are necessary in
> >order to create the ALSO and to have a satisfactory election, and then to
> >discuss with the Board how to achieve them? (how many resources need to
be
> >particularly destined to this end and how they will be obtained,  what
are
> >the parameters to be applied in order for an authentication system to be
> >deemed reasonably effective, pros and cons regarding the requirement to
be a
> >domain name holder/contact, etc).
> >
> >Whatever our personal view is, we need to contribute to the strenghtening
of
> >ICANN, for the sake of stability and growth. How can  we attain this?
> >
> >Take care,
> >
> >Kiyoshi Tsuru
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Esther Dyson" <edyson@edventure.com>
> >To: "Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>
> >Cc: <forum@atlargestudy.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:16 PM
> >Subject: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Judith,
> > >
> > > I am not jumping to conclusions yet. I don't know what Joe has or has
not
> > > said or done, nor do I know how other people (including the board)
will
> > > react to whatever proposal he may have floated.
> > >
> > > As a member of the ALSC, I'm committed to trying to pull together an
> > > At-Large so that ICANN can become a better organization over time
rather
> > > than die because of perceived or actual lack of legitimacy. Indeed if
> > > people do not believe in it, it will wither up and die, but people
need to
> > > give it a little faith-credit right now.
> > >
> > >  From my perspective, I will treat this whole episode as a plot to
> >persuade
> > > people that they have to get a little more cohesive and pledge to
support
> > > an At-Large Membership even if they dislike some details, or they may
> > > entirely miss the chance to improve ICANN into what they want it to
> > > be.  [this is a joke, folks, but not entirely]
> > >
> > > As Hilaire Belloc said:
> > > "Hold tightly to the hand of Nurse
> > > For fear of finding something worse!"
> > >
> > > Esther
> > >
> > > At 06:52 PM 2/19/2002, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
> > > >Then how do you feel about commiting your valuable time and energy to
the
> > > >At Large, only to find that Sims has already written it out of
ICANN's
> > > >plans?
> > > >
> > > >As a member of the ALSC, were you advised of Sims' presentation?   If
> >not,
> > > >can you explain any justification for committee members being duped
into
> > > >misrepresenting plans for At Large to the public?
> > > >
> > > >Judith
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Esther Dyson [mailto:edyson@edventure.com]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:23 PM
> > > > > To: Judith Oppenheimer
> > > > > Subject: Re: Sims/EU development
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > sorry, I don't know.  (QUick, but not useful....!)
> > > > >
> > > > > Esther
> > > > >
> > > > > At 10:28 AM 2/19/2002, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
> > > > > >Esther,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >An EU source reports that Joe Sims was in Brussels today for
> > > > > a closed door
> > > > > >meeting with Christopher Wilkinson and some other European
Commission
> > > > > >members.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Sims presented plans for a complete restructuring of the
> > > > > ICANN board, sans
> > > > > >At Large, with government representatives on the board, and
> > > > > new models of
> > > > > >ASO, PSO and partial DNSO.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I understand Sims will present this (report back?) to the board
this
> > > > > >weekend.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Is Sims working independently, or in collaboration with you
> > > > > and/or ICANN
> > > > > >staff?  What else can you tell me about this development?
> > > > > I'd appreciate
> > > > > >your response ASAP, thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Judith
> > > > > >
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