Re: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development -- CALL TO ACTION/PLEDGE

[Kiyoshi Tsuru]

Indeed, I serve at WIPO and live in D.C.

I've been following ICANN for most of its History and participated in some
of the meetings. I am convinced that ICANN needs to grow stronger, more
solid. That global, diverse participation is a key issue.

I could not attend the Conference, unfortunately. But will be glad to meet
you in Ghana.

Take care,

Kiyoshi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>
To: "'Kiyoshi Tsuru'" <ktsuru@msn.com>
Cc: <forum@atlargestudy.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development -- CALL TO ACTION/PLEDGE


> Kiyoshi,
>
> I see that you're a WIPO UDRP panelist, located in Washington DC.
>
> Is this activity the extent of your interest in the DNS?
>
> (And if I may ask, were you by chance at the Aspen Conference in
Washington
> today?)
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kiyoshi Tsuru [mailto:ktsuru@msn.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 4:39 PM
> > To: Esther Dyson
> > Cc: Judith Oppenheimer; forum@atlargestudy.org
> > Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development -- CALL TO
> > ACTION/PLEDGE
> >
> >
> > Sounds fair, straightforward and feasible. Count me in for
> > the volunteer
> > work.
> >
> > Kiyoshi
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Esther Dyson" <edyson@edventure.com>
> > To: "Kiyoshi Tsuru" <ktsuru@msn.com>
> > Cc: "Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>;
> > <forum@atlargestudy.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development -- CALL TO
> > ACTION/PLEDGE
> >
> >
> > > The suggestion is not for faith-credit to the ALSC, but to the AL
> > > Membership itself. You/we/all of us need to go ahead and
> > create it, and
> > > that will require some faith, because it does not yet
> > exist.  (That is the
> > > essence of any start-up.  many of them begin without a
> > single document,
> > and
> > > get more official later.
> > >
> > > *However,* start-ups are generally not bottom- up, though
> > they come from
> > > the bottom.  THey have a leader or two, who rallies others
> > round.  The
> > > culture ma be more or less participative, but there are
> > usually a few
> > > people who do what Pindar is doing now: They say, "Follow
> > me!" and people
> > > have enough trust to follow them.
> > >
> > > This has been the problem  (well, *one* of the problems!)
> > with ICANN. (and
> > > I say this after some long experience....) Bottom-up should not mean
> > > leaderless; it should mean that there are many potential
> > leaders (or as
> > > many as want to be, and none pre-anointed) and the
> > person/group with the
> > > most persuasive proposition gets support and moves forward.
> > If it loses
> > > that support, other leaders can emerge.
> > >
> > > So, I think it's time for the ALSC to stop looking for an illusory
> > > consensus to present to the board, and to move forward more
> > aggressively
> > to
> > > create some leadership - and some credible signs that an
> > ALM will emerge -
> > > and present not a fait accompli on the one hand nor a plan
> > on the other,
> > > but a genuine work in progress.
> > >
> > > It's time for the ALM to start organizing itself rather
> > than to argue
> > about
> > > how to organize.   As Karl points out in another message,
> > all ICANN needs
> > > to provide is some scaffolding and some formal commitment
> > to listening to
> > > the ALM and allowing it to seat directors with votes.  The
> > structure/soul
> > > of the ALM should be up to its members (as should the
> > funding for most of
> > > its activities).
> > >
> > > In that spirit, I want to follow/work with/join/strengthen Pindar's
> > > initiative.  And given that I have enough money (believe
> > me, I have better
> > > ways to get rich than associating with ICANN!), I pledge
> > $10,000 to the
> > > operations of the ALM once it is formed.  The formation will require
> > > minimum funds and a lot of volunteer work (which I am also
> > giving), but
> > the
> > > operations will require paid work.
> > >
> > > Esther
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 09:10 PM 2/19/2002, Kiyoshi Tsuru wrote:
> > > >Dear Esther:
> > > >
> > > >You've pointed out very clearly the problem: "perceived or
> > actual lack of
> > > >legitimacy". Whether it is perceived or real is not that
> > relevant when it
> > > >comes to the fate of ICANN, because the result would be
> > the same in the
> > long
> > > >run (you also pointed that out): Death (and probably
> > chaos). None of us
> > > >wants that. We want a solid, robust, healthy organization.
> > > >
> > > >I do not know whether the Internet community around the
> > World is willing
> > to
> > > >take a request for faith-credit. In my humble opinion, the
> > members of
> > this
> > > >community would have more confidence in a proposal (even
> > if it involved a
> > > >lot of work from volunteers, representatives and local
> > communities), that
> > > >would seem likely to materialize in the short term.
> > > >
> > > >But if the ALSC proposal is discarded ab initio, the
> > message that is
> > being
> > > >sent out does not create a scenario of credibility. After
> > all, ICANN was
> > > >created based on the Bottom-up representation philosophy.
> > > >
> > > >Lack of confidence only serves to support those factions that seek
> > > >fragmentation of the DNS. And we know that such a result is not
> > > >technologically possible, nor desirable.
> > > >
> > > >Is it possible to narrow down the list of elements that
> > are necessary in
> > > >order to create the ALSO and to have a satisfactory
> > election, and then to
> > > >discuss with the Board how to achieve them? (how many
> > resources need to
> > be
> > > >particularly destined to this end and how they will be
> > obtained,  what
> > are
> > > >the parameters to be applied in order for an
> > authentication system to be
> > > >deemed reasonably effective, pros and cons regarding the
> > requirement to
> > be a
> > > >domain name holder/contact, etc).
> > > >
> > > >Whatever our personal view is, we need to contribute to
> > the strenghtening
> > of
> > > >ICANN, for the sake of stability and growth. How can  we
> > attain this?
> > > >
> > > >Take care,
> > > >
> > > >Kiyoshi Tsuru
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Esther Dyson" <edyson@edventure.com>
> > > >To: "Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>
> > > >Cc: <forum@atlargestudy.org>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:16 PM
> > > >Subject: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Judith,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not jumping to conclusions yet. I don't know what
> > Joe has or has
> > not
> > > > > said or done, nor do I know how other people (including
> > the board)
> > will
> > > > > react to whatever proposal he may have floated.
> > > > >
> > > > > As a member of the ALSC, I'm committed to trying to
> > pull together an
> > > > > At-Large so that ICANN can become a better organization
> > over time
> > rather
> > > > > than die because of perceived or actual lack of
> > legitimacy. Indeed if
> > > > > people do not believe in it, it will wither up and die,
> > but people
> > need to
> > > > > give it a little faith-credit right now.
> > > > >
> > > > >  From my perspective, I will treat this whole episode
> > as a plot to
> > > >persuade
> > > > > people that they have to get a little more cohesive and
> > pledge to
> > support
> > > > > an At-Large Membership even if they dislike some
> > details, or they may
> > > > > entirely miss the chance to improve ICANN into what
> > they want it to
> > > > > be.  [this is a joke, folks, but not entirely]
> > > > >
> > > > > As Hilaire Belloc said:
> > > > > "Hold tightly to the hand of Nurse
> > > > > For fear of finding something worse!"
> > > > >
> > > > > Esther
> > > > >
> > > > > At 06:52 PM 2/19/2002, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
> > > > > >Then how do you feel about commiting your valuable
> > time and energy to
> > the
> > > > > >At Large, only to find that Sims has already written it out of
> > ICANN's
> > > > > >plans?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >As a member of the ALSC, were you advised of Sims'
> > presentation?   If
> > > >not,
> > > > > >can you explain any justification for committee
> > members being duped
> > into
> > > > > >misrepresenting plans for At Large to the public?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Judith
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > >Judith Oppenheimer
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> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Esther Dyson [mailto:edyson@edventure.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:23 PM
> > > > > > > To: Judith Oppenheimer
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Sims/EU development
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > sorry, I don't know.  (QUick, but not useful....!)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Esther
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 10:28 AM 2/19/2002, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
> > > > > > > >Esther,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >An EU source reports that Joe Sims was in Brussels
> > today for
> > > > > > > a closed door
> > > > > > > >meeting with Christopher Wilkinson and some other European
> > Commission
> > > > > > > >members.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Sims presented plans for a complete restructuring of the
> > > > > > > ICANN board, sans
> > > > > > > >At Large, with government representatives on the board, and
> > > > > > > new models of
> > > > > > > >ASO, PSO and partial DNSO.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I understand Sims will present this (report back?)
> > to the board
> > this
> > > > > > > >weekend.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Is Sims working independently, or in collaboration with you
> > > > > > > and/or ICANN
> > > > > > > >staff?  What else can you tell me about this development?
> > > > > > > I'd appreciate
> > > > > > > >your response ASAP, thanks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Judith
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >Judith Oppenheimer
> > > > > > > >http://JudithOppenheimer.com
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