RE: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development -- CALL TO ACTION/PLEDGE

[Judith Oppenheimer]

Yes, why is the At Large characterized as "leaderless"?  I know I cast my
vote for Karl Auerbach, and he won.

We all know that At Large was eviscerated and its leaders cut off from
their constituents, in part, by two of the people who now claim to want to
support it.

At least one of them had knowledge of Joe Sims' secret meeting in Brussels
yesterday (see http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5598), and
likely the other (see http://aspeninstitute.org/c&s/ipp.html), if not both,
were at yet another private meeting held today in D.C. that was debriefed
by Sims, and saw the construction of yet more ICANN reconstruction theories
(see http://www.lextext.com/onepagers.html), outside of the "open and
transparent" process.  Much in the same way that these same two players
participated in ICANN's original construction - behind closed doors.

In fact, I fail to see any difference in Mr. Roberts' or Ms. Dyson's "open
and transparent" behavior now, than what we've experienced in the past.

Their self-implication of leadership by way of their magnanimous "pledges"
to At Large, is the height of disingenuous pomposity.

And I for one, am not amused.  (Though they seem to be having a good time.)

J

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:02 PM
> To: Esther Dyson
> Cc: Kiyoshi Tsuru; Judith Oppenheimer; forum@atlargestudy.org
> Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development -- CALL TO
> ACTION/PLEDGE
>
>
> Esther and all stakeholders or interested parties,
>
>   This statement is not entirely true Esther, and you know it!  The
> At-Large WAS in existence.  We elected some BOD members
> already.  Or did this slip you mind entirely?
>
> Esther Dyson wrote:
>
> > The suggestion is not for faith-credit to the ALSC, but to the AL
> > Membership itself. You/we/all of us need to go ahead and
> create it, and
> > that will require some faith, because it does not yet
> exist.  (That is the
> > essence of any start-up.  many of them begin without a
> single document, and
> > get more official later.
> >
> > *However,* start-ups are generally not bottom- up, though
> they come from
> > the bottom.  THey have a leader or two, who rallies others
> round.  The
> > culture ma be more or less participative, but there are
> usually a few
> > people who do what Pindar is doing now: They say, "Follow
> me!" and people
> > have enough trust to follow them.
> >
> > This has been the problem  (well, *one* of the problems!)
> with ICANN. (and
> > I say this after some long experience....) Bottom-up should not mean
> > leaderless; it should mean that there are many potential
> leaders (or as
> > many as want to be, and none pre-anointed) and the
> person/group with the
> > most persuasive proposition gets support and moves forward.
> If it loses
> > that support, other leaders can emerge.
> >
> > So, I think it's time for the ALSC to stop looking for an illusory
> > consensus to present to the board, and to move forward more
> aggressively to
> > create some leadership - and some credible signs that an
> ALM will emerge -
> > and present not a fait accompli on the one hand nor a plan
> on the other,
> > but a genuine work in progress.
> >
> > It's time for the ALM to start organizing itself rather
> than to argue about
> > how to organize.   As Karl points out in another message,
> all ICANN needs
> > to provide is some scaffolding and some formal commitment
> to listening to
> > the ALM and allowing it to seat directors with votes.  The
> structure/soul
> > of the ALM should be up to its members (as should the
> funding for most of
> > its activities).
> >
> > In that spirit, I want to follow/work with/join/strengthen Pindar's
> > initiative.  And given that I have enough money (believe
> me, I have better
> > ways to get rich than associating with ICANN!), I pledge
> $10,000 to the
> > operations of the ALM once it is formed.  The formation will require
> > minimum funds and a lot of volunteer work (which I am also
> giving), but the
> > operations will require paid work.
> >
> > Esther
> >
> > At 09:10 PM 2/19/2002, Kiyoshi Tsuru wrote:
> > >Dear Esther:
> > >
> > >You've pointed out very clearly the problem: "perceived or
> actual lack of
> > >legitimacy". Whether it is perceived or real is not that
> relevant when it
> > >comes to the fate of ICANN, because the result would be
> the same in the long
> > >run (you also pointed that out): Death (and probably
> chaos). None of us
> > >wants that. We want a solid, robust, healthy organization.
> > >
> > >I do not know whether the Internet community around the
> World is willing to
> > >take a request for faith-credit. In my humble opinion, the
> members of this
> > >community would have more confidence in a proposal (even
> if it involved a
> > >lot of work from volunteers, representatives and local
> communities), that
> > >would seem likely to materialize in the short term.
> > >
> > >But if the ALSC proposal is discarded ab initio, the
> message that is being
> > >sent out does not create a scenario of credibility. After
> all, ICANN was
> > >created based on the Bottom-up representation philosophy.
> > >
> > >Lack of confidence only serves to support those factions that seek
> > >fragmentation of the DNS. And we know that such a result is not
> > >technologically possible, nor desirable.
> > >
> > >Is it possible to narrow down the list of elements that
> are necessary in
> > >order to create the ALSO and to have a satisfactory
> election, and then to
> > >discuss with the Board how to achieve them? (how many
> resources need to be
> > >particularly destined to this end and how they will be
> obtained,  what are
> > >the parameters to be applied in order for an
> authentication system to be
> > >deemed reasonably effective, pros and cons regarding the
> requirement to be a
> > >domain name holder/contact, etc).
> > >
> > >Whatever our personal view is, we need to contribute to
> the strenghtening of
> > >ICANN, for the sake of stability and growth. How can  we
> attain this?
> > >
> > >Take care,
> > >
> > >Kiyoshi Tsuru
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Esther Dyson" <edyson@edventure.com>
> > >To: "Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>
> > >Cc: <forum@atlargestudy.org>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:16 PM
> > >Subject: [ALSC-Forum] RE: Sims/EU development
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Judith,
> > > >
> > > > I am not jumping to conclusions yet. I don't know what
> Joe has or has not
> > > > said or done, nor do I know how other people (including
> the board) will
> > > > react to whatever proposal he may have floated.
> > > >
> > > > As a member of the ALSC, I'm committed to trying to
> pull together an
> > > > At-Large so that ICANN can become a better organization
> over time rather
> > > > than die because of perceived or actual lack of
> legitimacy. Indeed if
> > > > people do not believe in it, it will wither up and die,
> but people need to
> > > > give it a little faith-credit right now.
> > > >
> > > >  From my perspective, I will treat this whole episode
> as a plot to
> > >persuade
> > > > people that they have to get a little more cohesive and
> pledge to support
> > > > an At-Large Membership even if they dislike some
> details, or they may
> > > > entirely miss the chance to improve ICANN into what
> they want it to
> > > > be.  [this is a joke, folks, but not entirely]
> > > >
> > > > As Hilaire Belloc said:
> > > > "Hold tightly to the hand of Nurse
> > > > For fear of finding something worse!"
> > > >
> > > > Esther
> > > >
> > > > At 06:52 PM 2/19/2002, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
> > > > >Then how do you feel about commiting your valuable
> time and energy to the
> > > > >At Large, only to find that Sims has already written
> it out of ICANN's
> > > > >plans?
> > > > >
> > > > >As a member of the ALSC, were you advised of Sims'
> presentation?   If
> > >not,
> > > > >can you explain any justification for committee
> members being duped into
> > > > >misrepresenting plans for At Large to the public?
> > > > >
> > > > >Judith
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > > > >Judith Oppenheimer
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> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Esther Dyson [mailto:edyson@edventure.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:23 PM
> > > > > > To: Judith Oppenheimer
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Sims/EU development
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sorry, I don't know.  (QUick, but not useful....!)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Esther
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 10:28 AM 2/19/2002, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
> > > > > > >Esther,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >An EU source reports that Joe Sims was in Brussels
> today for
> > > > > > a closed door
> > > > > > >meeting with Christopher Wilkinson and some other
> European Commission
> > > > > > >members.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Sims presented plans for a complete restructuring of the
> > > > > > ICANN board, sans
> > > > > > >At Large, with government representatives on the board, and
> > > > > > new models of
> > > > > > >ASO, PSO and partial DNSO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I understand Sims will present this (report back?)
> to the board this
> > > > > > >weekend.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Is Sims working independently, or in collaboration with you
> > > > > > and/or ICANN
> > > > > > >staff?  What else can you tell me about this development?
> > > > > > I'd appreciate
> > > > > > >your response ASAP, thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Judith
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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