RE: [ALSC-Forum] Mistake in methodology ---> initial approach to self-galvanzing ALM

[Jefsey Morfin]

Dear Bruce,
all of us we have to face reality. This reality is the way the world is and 
the way an interconnect system works. You may have the best  feelings, you 
may spend the largest amount of money, you may gather crowds, if you don't 
get real about these two things you will only lead them to their  doom.

The approach of the ICANN is wrong. Not because the ICANN concept is wrong, 
but because the people in there are in disagreement with a reality they 
ignore. Instead of trying to understand the way it works, they try to force 
it to work their way.

So, there is no sides. Anyone getting real is a good support. And spending 
time and money really helps getting real. Then, there might be differences 
on tactics, but there is unity on the strategy. When you consider what 
Stuart proposes and what Esther, Pindar and even Mike came to do, these are 
two worlds apart. Esther, Pindar; Mike are coming from far into reality: 
welcome! however I am not sure which part of reality and to which extent 
they want to enter it, but this is a beginning and I genuinely admire 
Esther for her patience and Mike for accepting rebukes and coming again and 
again. And Pindar for his gallant action: but be cautious Pindar, yours is 
a new convert action and be careful not to into the tricks of some old rovers.

Stuart is just unrealistic: to start with he obviously has no understanding 
of what a non-US government may be and the way it works. Nor the way the 
Stock Exchange works.

This also means that any of "us" can also be totally wrong, the day one 
proposes something conflicting with the very nature of the world and of the 
interconnect system. The truth is with reality, not with any guru, leader, 
dotcommer, investor, belief or commitment.
Jefsey

On 07:24 25/02/02, Bruce Young said:

>Esther wrote:
>
> >Our belief:  If we at large can create the beginnings of such a group, then
> >all the Board has to do is to give it some ICANN-official standing. It can
> >then evolve, and because it will have some status, it will become more
> >attractive to the heretofore marginalized and disengaged would-be members.
> >meanwhile, those members will (I believe) self-organize more effectively
> >and take care to engage constructively. Being taken seriously, they will
> >*act* seriously.
>
>Folks, many of us have been very vociferous in this forum wanting to see
>momentum on the part of ICANN to make the At-Large a reality.  As ALSC
>members, Esther and Pindar have, in the past, often been the target of our
>posts, mine no less than others!  However, they have now chosen to stand
>with us, apart from their official capacity, to try and self-organize the
>At-Large.
>
>I am asking everyone who, in the past, has voiced their outrage, frustration
>and cynicism here to, at the very least, hold off and observe, and if you
>are so moved, to shift your attention to supporting the self-organization
>effort that has begun.
>
>This is what we have been asking for, people.  Now that it is begging to
>happen, please don't doom it by continuing the same old arguments.  Current
>events have made them moot!  Something magical and fragile is happening
>here.  Please don't screw it up!
>
>Bruce Young
>Portland, Oregon
>Bruce@barelyadequate.info
>http://www.barelyadequate.info