Re: [ALSC-Forum] At-Large Organizing

[Jeff Williams]

Michael and all stakeholders or interested parties,

  Let's just say that ti ICANN BOD and staff are not very thrifty...
Some might call that an understatement, and I would be hard pressed
to disagree with them.  But the biggest problem is that getting costs
and expenditures under reasonable control required full financial
disclosure as Karl Auerbach is, has been, and is suing ICANN BoD
and staff members to get.   Therefore I can make several conclusions
based on supposition.  But what is more important is that the overall
impact of no disclosing all of the ICANN Financial records as well
as cost justifications, is paramount to breading more and wider
distrust.  And that folks, is not a good thing!

Micheal Sherrill wrote:

> Regarding Eric Dierker latest email, as Austin Powers would say, quote Yeah, Baby! unquote.  There is nothing to indicate that ICANN nor their mouthpieces have rotated 180 degrees from their normal behavior.  Do not send money into a black hole.  All energy into a black hole does not come out.  Spend it in small increments and spend it where one can see it being spent.  ICANN is not the place for such expenditures.
>
> Regards,
>
> Micheal Sherrill
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>
> Date:  Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:24:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Perhaps someday you will get a clue Ester.
>
> Absolutely nothing about you or ICANN is open and transparent.
>
> You are the swine upon which tyrrany is built and power manipulated for
> your own egomaniac desires.
>
> But the important thing is that you are superfluous, window dressing on a
> butt ugly house that could never be called a home.
>
> Real people with real motivation and understanding like Judith and Joanna
> make a difference in the world, while you play in a different world.
>
> Contributions to ICANN are like masturbation.  Pointless in purpose except
> for fulfilling your own personal prurient needs.
>
> Eric
>
> <please escuse my spelling errors, I have a headache>
>
> >
> > Yes, this is all duly registered.  People are sending their checks to
> > ICANN  (a 501c3) legended for the At-Large Organizing effort.  It *is*
> > out in the  open, in some earlier (public) e-mails/Web announcements,
> > which you can read.
> >
> > Esther
> >
> > At 09:54 AM 4/26/2002, Joanna Lane wrote:
> >>Esther,
> >>I'm sorry to press the point, but $20,000 is not pocket change, there's
> >>a tax implication here. Denise has to prepare some form of written
> >>record of her engagement, if only for tax purposes. The implication is
> >>that she is working directly for a new entity called At Large, when
> >>there is no such thing. Furthermore, I find it very difficult to
> >>believe that people are willing to send thousands of dollars as a
> >>"gift" to Denise without taking a tax write-off. So let's get it out in
> >>the open, shall we.
> >>
> >>Denise Michele has been engaged by ICANN Staff and is reporting to
> >>Stuart Lynn, whose priority is to see his Roadmap for Reform come to
> >>fruition.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Joanna
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Judith Oppenheimer [mailto:joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com] Sent:
> >> > Thursday, April 25, 2002 11:17 PM
> >> > To: 'Esther Dyson'; 'Joanna Lane'
> >> > Cc: forum@atlargestudy.org
> >> > Subject: RE: [ALSC-Forum] At-Large Organizing
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Of course she's not a "lapdog."
> >> >
> >> > She's an ICANN employee.
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > ---------
> >> > ----------
> >> > Judith Oppenheimer
> >> > http://JudithOppenheimer.com
> >> > http://ICBTollFreeNews.com
> >> > 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > ---------
> >> > ----------
> >> >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: owner-forum@www.atlargestudy.org
> >> > > [mailto:owner-forum@www.atlargestudy.org]On Behalf Of Esther Dyson
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 1:45 PM
> >> > > To: Joanna Lane
> >> > > Cc: forum@atlargestudy.org
> >> > > Subject: RE: [ALSC-Forum] At-Large Organizing
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Yes, I've got the gist.  Denise is to focus on coordinating
> >> > > communications
> >> > > with the At-Large, not on implementing Stuart's plan.  People who
> >> > > take the
> >> > > trouble to listen to her know that she is not a lapdog blah blah
> >> > > blah.
> >> > >
> >> > > Esther
> >> > >
> >> > > At 11:51 AM 4/24/2002, Joanna Lane wrote:
> >> > > >Esther,
> >> > > >Yes, I understand that part, but what I'm trying to get at is
> >> > > >whether Denise's remit is to follow Stuart Lynn's Roadmap for
> >> > > Reform, a process that
> >> > > >would exclude her entertaining any plan that was mutually
> >> > > exclusive to the
> >> > > >Lynn vision (which we know is unpopular), or whether Denise
> >> > > has been given a
> >> > > >free hand by the Board to perform the task of promoting
> >> > > whatever plans may
> >> > > >present themselves, including those that may contain
> >> > > elements exclusive to
> >> > > >the Lynn roadmap, an At large election being only one of
> >> > > them, but not the
> >> > > >only one. I may not be explaining myself clearly (it's been
> >> > > a long day), but
> >> > > >I hope you get the gist.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Regards,
> >> > > >Joanna
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: owner-forum@www.atlargestudy.org
> >> > > > > [mailto:owner-forum@www.atlargestudy.org]On Behalf Of Esther
> >> > > > > Dyson Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:27 PM
> >> > > > > To: forum@atlargestudy.org
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] At-Large Organizing
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > The Board agreed to go forward with AL but not with elections,
> >> > > > > as you know.
> >> > > > > So we are going forward with At-Large.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Esther
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > From: "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>
> >> > > > > To: "Denise Michel ALSC" <dmichel@atlargestudy.org>;
> >> > > > > <forum@atlargestudy.org>
> >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:24 PM
> >> > > > > Subject: RE: [ALSC-Forum] At-Large Organizing
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >  > Denise,
> >> > > > >  > I'm confused. I thought Stuart Lynn trashed the
> >> > > recommendations made by
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > >  > ALSC Report? If not, are you organizing global
> >> > > elections to seat 6 At
> >> > > > > large
> >> > > > >  > Board Directors by September?
> >> > > > >  >
> >> > > > >  > Regards,
> >> > > > >  > Joanna
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Esther Dyson                    Always make new mistakes!
> >> > > > > chairman, EDventure Holdings
> >> > > > > writer, Release 3.0 (on Website below)
> >> > > > > edyson@edventure.com
> >> > > > > 1 (212) 924-8800    --   fax  1 (212) 924-0240
> >> > > > > 104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
> >> > > > > New York, NY 10011 USA
> >> > > > > http://www.edventure.com
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > The conversation continues..... at
> >> > > > > http://www.edventure.com/conversation/
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Esther Dyson                    Always make new mistakes!
> >> > > chairman, EDventure Holdings
> >> > > writer, Release 3.0 (on Website below)
> >> > > edyson@edventure.com
> >> > > 1 (212) 924-8800    --   fax  1 (212) 924-0240
> >> > > 104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor) New
> >> > > York, NY 10011 USA
> >> > > http://www.edventure.com
> >> > >
> >> > > The conversation continues..... at
> >> > > http://www.edventure.com/conversation/
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Esther Dyson                    Always make new mistakes!
> > chairman, EDventure Holdings
> > writer, Release 3.0 (on Website below)
> > edyson@edventure.com
> > 1 (212) 924-8800    --   fax  1 (212) 924-0240
> > 104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
> > New York, NY 10011 USA
> > http://www.edventure.com
> >
> > The conversation continues..... at
> > http://www.edventure.com/conversation/
>
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