Re: [ALSC-Forum] At-Large Organizing

[Jeff Williams]

Eric and all stakeholders or interested parties,

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Hey Jeff old buddy,
>
> I look forward to my return to the States and you bringing me up to speed
> on these nefarious goings on.

  Your welcome.

>
>
> What are you afraid of being censored? or are you just mellowing in your
> old age?

  Niether really.  You know that it is nearly impossible to censor me.
I know too many ways around that game...

>
>
> "not thrifty" my ass!  They are outright and downright crooks and thieves.
> You know that when I say that, if I am wrong they can sue me for libel, but
> then again they would have to show it was false.

  Well I was trying to be kind...  I don't disagree with you here...

>
>
> As I have said before; get your other plan and group ready because these
> guys are going down hard, because they lie and cheat and commit grievous
> crimes against my dotcommoners.

  Well they are getting beat up from a number of sides.  And that beating will
continue and become more and more costly...

>
>
> OTOH do like Jim and Joe and route around.

  And that is what is happening at an ever increasing rate...  >;)

>
>
> Eric
>
> > Michael and all stakeholders or interested parties,
> >
> >   Let's just say that ti ICANN BOD and staff are not very thrifty...
> > Some might call that an understatement, and I would be hard pressed to
> > disagree with them.  But the biggest problem is that getting costs and
> > expenditures under reasonable control required full financial
> > disclosure as Karl Auerbach is, has been, and is suing ICANN BoD
> > and staff members to get.   Therefore I can make several conclusions
> > based on supposition.  But what is more important is that the overall
> > impact of no disclosing all of the ICANN Financial records as well as
> > cost justifications, is paramount to breading more and wider
> > distrust.  And that folks, is not a good thing!
> >
> > Micheal Sherrill wrote:
> >
> >> Regarding Eric Dierker latest email, as Austin Powers would say, quote
> >> Yeah, Baby! unquote.  There is nothing to indicate that ICANN nor
> >> their mouthpieces have rotated 180 degrees from their normal behavior.
> >>  Do not send money into a black hole.  All energy into a black hole
> >> does not come out.  Spend it in small increments and spend it where
> >> one can see it being spent.  ICANN is not the place for such
> >> expenditures.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Micheal Sherrill
> >>
> >> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> >> From: Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>
> >> Date:  Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:24:47 -0700 (PDT)
> >>
> >> Perhaps someday you will get a clue Ester.
> >>
> >> Absolutely nothing about you or ICANN is open and transparent.
> >>
> >> You are the swine upon which tyrrany is built and power manipulated
> >> for your own egomaniac desires.
> >>
> >> But the important thing is that you are superfluous, window dressing
> >> on a butt ugly house that could never be called a home.
> >>
> >> Real people with real motivation and understanding like Judith and
> >> Joanna make a difference in the world, while you play in a different
> >> world.
> >>
> >> Contributions to ICANN are like masturbation.  Pointless in purpose
> >> except for fulfilling your own personal prurient needs.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> <please escuse my spelling errors, I have a headache>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Yes, this is all duly registered.  People are sending their checks
> >> > to ICANN  (a 501c3) legended for the At-Large Organizing effort.  It
> >> > *is* out in the  open, in some earlier (public) e-mails/Web
> >> > announcements, which you can read.
> >> >
> >> > Esther
> >> >
> >> > At 09:54 AM 4/26/2002, Joanna Lane wrote:
> >> >>Esther,
> >> >>I'm sorry to press the point, but $20,000 is not pocket change,
> >> >>there's a tax implication here. Denise has to prepare some form of
> >> >>written record of her engagement, if only for tax purposes. The
> >> >>implication is that she is working directly for a new entity called
> >> >>At Large, when there is no such thing. Furthermore, I find it very
> >> >>difficult to believe that people are willing to send thousands of
> >> >>dollars as a "gift" to Denise without taking a tax write-off. So
> >> >>let's get it out in the open, shall we.
> >> >>
> >> >>Denise Michele has been engaged by ICANN Staff and is reporting to
> >> >>Stuart Lynn, whose priority is to see his Roadmap for Reform come to
> >> >>fruition.
> >> >>
> >> >>Regards,
> >> >>Joanna
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > From: Judith Oppenheimer [mailto:joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com]
> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 11:17 PM
> >> >> > To: 'Esther Dyson'; 'Joanna Lane'
> >> >> > Cc: forum@atlargestudy.org
> >> >> > Subject: RE: [ALSC-Forum] At-Large Organizing
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Of course she's not a "lapdog."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > She's an ICANN employee.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> > ---------
> >> >> > ----------
> >> >> > Judith Oppenheimer
> >> >> > http://JudithOppenheimer.com
> >> >> > http://ICBTollFreeNews.com
> >> >> > 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert
> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> > ---------
> >> >> > ----------
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > > From: owner-forum@www.atlargestudy.org
> >> >> > > [mailto:owner-forum@www.atlargestudy.org]On Behalf Of Esther
> >> >> > > Dyson Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 1:45 PM
> >> >> > > To: Joanna Lane
> >> >> > > Cc: forum@atlargestudy.org
> >> >> > > Subject: RE: [ALSC-Forum] At-Large Organizing
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Yes, I've got the gist.  Denise is to focus on coordinating
> >> >> > > communications
> >> >> > > with the At-Large, not on implementing Stuart's plan.  People
> >> >> > > who take the
> >> >> > > trouble to listen to her know that she is not a lapdog blah
> >> >> > > blah blah.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Esther
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > At 11:51 AM 4/24/2002, Joanna Lane wrote:
> >> >> > > >Esther,
> >> >> > > >Yes, I understand that part, but what I'm trying to get at is
> >> >> > > >whether Denise's remit is to follow Stuart Lynn's Roadmap for
> >> >> > > Reform, a process that
> >> >> > > >would exclude her entertaining any plan that was mutually
> >> >> > > exclusive to the
> >> >> > > >Lynn vision (which we know is unpopular), or whether Denise
> >> >> > > has been given a
> >> >> > > >free hand by the Board to perform the task of promoting
> >> >> > > whatever plans may
> >> >> > > >present themselves, including those that may contain
> >> >> > > elements exclusive to
> >> >> > > >the Lynn roadmap, an At large election being only one of
> >> >> > > them, but not the
> >> >> > > >only one. I may not be explaining myself clearly (it's been
> >> >> > > a long day), but
> >> >> > > >I hope you get the gist.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >Regards,
> >> >> > > >Joanna
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > > > > From: owner-forum@www.atlargestudy.org
> >> >> > > > > [mailto:owner-forum@www.atlargestudy.org]On Behalf Of
> >> >> > > > > Esther Dyson Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:27 PM
> >> >> > > > > To: forum@atlargestudy.org
> >> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] At-Large Organizing
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > The Board agreed to go forward with AL but not with
> >> >> > > > > elections, as you know.
> >> >> > > > > So we are going forward with At-Large.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Esther
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > > > From: "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>
> >> >> > > > > To: "Denise Michel ALSC" <dmichel@atlargestudy.org>;
> >> >> > > > > <forum@atlargestudy.org>
> >> >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:24 PM
> >> >> > > > > Subject: RE: [ALSC-Forum] At-Large Organizing
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >  > Denise,
> >> >> > > > >  > I'm confused. I thought Stuart Lynn trashed the
> >> >> > > recommendations made by
> >> >> > > > > the
> >> >> > > > >  > ALSC Report? If not, are you organizing global
> >> >> > > elections to seat 6 At
> >> >> > > > > large
> >> >> > > > >  > Board Directors by September?
> >> >> > > > >  >
> >> >> > > > >  > Regards,
> >> >> > > > >  > Joanna
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Esther Dyson                    Always make new mistakes!
> >> >> > > > > chairman, EDventure Holdings
> >> >> > > > > writer, Release 3.0 (on Website below)
> >> >> > > > > edyson@edventure.com
> >> >> > > > > 1 (212) 924-8800    --   fax  1 (212) 924-0240
> >> >> > > > > 104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th
> >> >> > > > > floor) New York, NY 10011 USA
> >> >> > > > > http://www.edventure.com
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > The conversation continues..... at
> >> >> > > > > http://www.edventure.com/conversation/
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Esther Dyson                    Always make new mistakes!
> >> >> > > chairman, EDventure Holdings
> >> >> > > writer, Release 3.0 (on Website below)
> >> >> > > edyson@edventure.com
> >> >> > > 1 (212) 924-8800    --   fax  1 (212) 924-0240
> >> >> > > 104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
> >> >> > > New York, NY 10011 USA
> >> >> > > http://www.edventure.com
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The conversation continues..... at
> >> >> > > http://www.edventure.com/conversation/
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Esther Dyson                    Always make new mistakes!
> >> > chairman, EDventure Holdings
> >> > writer, Release 3.0 (on Website below)
> >> > edyson@edventure.com
> >> > 1 (212) 924-8800    --   fax  1 (212) 924-0240
> >> > 104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
> >> > New York, NY 10011 USA
> >> > http://www.edventure.com
> >> >
> >> > The conversation continues..... at
> >> > http://www.edventure.com/conversation/
> >>
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