RE: [ALSC-Forum] Re: Bottom up process and group dynamics

[Bruce Young]

Danny wrote:

>That organization is ISOC (the Internet Society), that twice participated
in
>early efforts to manage the resource that ICANN now controls.

The ISOC is not mentioned in ICANN's founding documents.  The At Large is.
Nor was it ever invited to elect ICANN board members.  The At Large was.
Regardless of current numbers or any other factors you wish to name, this is
the primary diference.


Bruce Young
Portland, Oregon
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Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: Bottom up process and group dynamics



Bruce,

You have remarked that "If we can draw in sufficient numbers world-wide,
ICANN will have no choice but to recognize us, or face public disdain."

Perhaps you haven't heard of another well-established world-wide
organization
whose members have a passionate interest in the Internet, who aren't
represented as a constituent group within any of ICANN's current Supporting
Organizations, who last year opened up new chapters in Ecuador, Bangladesh,
Luxembourg, Poland, Georgia, and the Republic of Tatarstan, who have 1493
members in 24 chapters in the developing world, another 42 chapters in
developed countries and still another 87 chapters-in-formation with an
overall contributing membership in excess of 7230 members.

That organization is ISOC (the Internet Society), that twice participated in
early efforts to manage the resource that ICANN now controls.  You may
recognize some of the names of those prominent in the organization:  ISOC
Founding Chairman Vint Cerf, ISOC-Benin Chapter president Pierre Dandjinou,
ISOC-France Chairman Olivier Iteanu, ISOC-Mexico Board member Oscar Robles,
ISOC-Mexico Chairman Alejandro Pisanty, ISOC Standards Officer Helmut
Schink,
ISOC-Japan Vice Chairman Jan Murai, and ISOC Founding Trustee Lyman Chapin,
among others.

Still, to this day ISOC is not "recognized" (as you have phrased it), and
ICANN has suffered no public disdain by not "recognizing" that entity even
though the full leadership of the ICANN Board stems from that organization.
What makes you think that ICANN is going to feel any embarrassment or shame
by not according your tiny nascent organization any recognition?

The At-large is much bigger than any one group such as icannatlarge.com, and
it requires a comprehensive plan to fully incorporate it (and its member
organizations such as ISOC) within the ICANN structure.

Bruce, you have argued that ICANN at the very least, should have respected
your timeline and waited a few more months... what utter nonsense... they're
supposed to stop what they're doing and wait for some other organization to
get its act together?  That you choose not to abide by the same set of
deadlines that everyone else must adhere to paints your organization as
nothing more than an unbridaled arrogant rogue.

Frankly, why should anyone on the Board want to deal with this group when in
the first instance it is incredibly small, financially non-self-sustaining,
won't adhere to generally accepted timetables, and is composed mostly of
members that are already represented in the Supporting Organizations?

...Just because you've managed to collect some 800 names on a list -- none
of
whom have actually tendered any dues?  How impressive...  You might want to
prove your commitment before you expect others to believe that such a
commitment exists.