GMEHJOBGDHBJAFJNENBNOELLCEAA.Bruce@barelyadequate.info">That is precisely why the ICANN "Announcement" includes the following:Eric wrote:Is not the ISOC a professional organization?
Mostly. But that isn't the point. Whether it be ICANNATLARGE.COM or some
other body, the At Large needs to speak with a unified voice. That is not
to say that it need not include a multitude of groups under its umbrella,
because it is very critical that it do so. Only a single umbrella
organization with a large user concensus, can expect to effectively say they
speak for the Internet user at large.
It's called "divide and conquer." ICANN would like to see its Internet opposition Balkanized,The Board's Accra resolution also points
to a desire to see a multiplicity of self-forming groups.
GMEHJOBGDHBJAFJNENBNOELLCEAA.Bruce@barelyadequate.info">Names don't matter. icannatlarge.com has 791 members, I now see, so that's a start. It's likely
IMO, considering its "roots" that extend back to the original At Large
electorate through a continuos member presence in this forum,
ICANNATLARGE.COM is well-positioned to be that unbrella. But it need not
be. The point is: some group needs to be.
GMEHJOBGDHBJAFJNENBNOELLCEAA.Bruce@barelyadequate.info">
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-forum@www.atlargestudy.org
[mailto:owner-forum@www.atlargestudy.org]On Behalf Of Eric Dierker
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:00 PM
To: jefsey@wanadoo.fr
Cc: forum@atlargestudy.org
Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: Bottom up process and group dynamics
Excuse me gentlemen,
Is not the ISOC a professional organization?
Isn't this like saying the lawyers should decide how best to protect my
freedoms and needs? It is like the insurance companies deciding how much
it will cost to fix my car after an accident.
If you think that the ALSC should be elitist, then we need nothing more
than the ISOC.
Don't get me wrong I am applying to be a member of the ISOC. I think they
do great work. But do not think they represent dotcommoners and consumers.
Sincerely,
EricDear Dany,
methink that you just shown that the ICANN is a cover-up for ISOC and
that the @large's problem is only a problem of "competition" with the
ISOC :-). ISOC people are embarassed in having the USG asking them to
support two @large structures while one is complex enough to develop
and control.
Better to enter the ISOC and to change things from the inside of the
real thing than trying to change things from inside the fake one. Oh!
yes the ISOC is "Jon Postel style" ... well time as come to open the
windows.... and to get real.
jfc
On 02:39 26/04/02, DannyYounger@cs.com said:Bruce,
You have remarked that "If we can draw in sufficient numbers
world-wide, ICANN will have no choice but to recognize us, or face
public disdain."
Perhaps you haven't heard of another well-established world-wide
organization whose members have a passionate interest in the Internet,
who aren't represented as a constituent group within any of ICANN's
current Supporting Organizations, who last year opened up new chapters
in Ecuador, Bangladesh, Luxembourg, Poland, Georgia, and the Republic
of Tatarstan, who have 1493 members in 24 chapters in the developing
world, another 42 chapters in developed countries and still another 87
chapters-in-formation with an overall contributing membership in excess
of 7230 members.
That organization is ISOC (the Internet Society), that twice
participated in early efforts to manage the resource that ICANN now
controls. You may recognize some of the names of those prominent in
the organization: ISOC Founding Chairman Vint Cerf, ISOC-Benin Chapter
president Pierre Dandjinou, ISOC-France Chairman Olivier Iteanu,
ISOC-Mexico Board member Oscar Robles, ISOC-Mexico Chairman Alejandro
Pisanty, ISOC Standards Officer Helmut Schink, ISOC-Japan Vice Chairman
Jan Murai, and ISOC Founding Trustee Lyman Chapin, among others.
Still, to this day ISOC is not "recognized" (as you have phrased it),
and ICANN has suffered no public disdain by not "recognizing" that
entity even though the full leadership of the ICANN Board stems from
that organization. What makes you think that ICANN is going to feel any
embarrassment or shame by not according your tiny nascent organization
any recognition?
The At-large is much bigger than any one group such as
icannatlarge.com, and it requires a comprehensive plan to fully
incorporate it (and its member organizations such as ISOC) within the
ICANN structure.
Bruce, you have argued that ICANN at the very least, should have
respected your timeline and waited a few more months... what utter
nonsense... they're supposed to stop what they're doing and wait for
some other organization to get its act together? That you choose not
to abide by the same set of deadlines that everyone else must adhere to
paints your organization as nothing more than an unbridaled arrogant
rogue.
Frankly, why should anyone on the Board want to deal with this group
when in the first instance it is incredibly small, financially
non-self-sustaining, won't adhere to generally accepted timetables, and
is composed mostly of members that are already represented in the
Supporting Organizations?
...Just because you've managed to collect some 800 names on a list --
none of whom have actually tendered any dues? How impressive... You
might want to prove your commitment before you expect others to believe
that such a commitment exists.
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