From: DannyYounger
Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] icannatlarge.com security issue
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 23:26:43 -0700

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Hello Sotiris,

Thank you for the invitation to rejoin icannatlarge.com.  You'll pardon me if 
I don't accept at this time -- I won't join any group that cares so little 
for the At-Large that its members won't even put up a structural proposal 
regarding the At-Large for the ICANN Board to consider.  Frankly, it reminds 
me a lot of the IDNO, whose members never once have done anything on behalf 
of the registrants they ostensibly represent, prefering instead to spend all 
their time either voting for leadership positions within the organization, 
claiming that they're planning on engaging in outreach, or on a never-ending 
discussion of the Charter and ByLaws.  

Yes, I've read the papers by members such as Vittorio, Izumi, Jamie, Rob and 
others.  Great comments, but where's the proposed structure?  How are 
At-large directors to be selected?  How many should there be?  Should there 
be regional At-Large Councils?  Should there be a central At-Large Policy 
Council?  Do all At-Large organizations get equal votes?  Do groups like ISOC 
and CECUA get one vote, or one vote per chapter?  What dues will 
organizational members pay?  What dues will individuals pay?  Will a large 
organization have the same number of votes as a tiny organization?  How will 
the At-Large Structure interact with the Supporting Organizations or Policy 
Councils?  On what timetable will all this happen?  

If no one makes a proposal, do you think that ICANN (out of the goodness of 
their heart) will create an At-Large in a pretty package all tied up in an 
elegant bow for you?  Think again.  If you don't fight for the At-large now, 
there won't be an At-Large later... 

Your "Interim Panel" has all its priorities screwed up.  What good is 
outreach and an ongoing debate on bylaws if there isn't any At-Large 
structure within ICANN?  Who gives a damn whether you meet the arbitrary goal 
of a thousand members if there's nothing left to fight for because its 
already been structurally eliminated?  Where is the At-Large in the Lynn 
Plan?  It ain't there buddy.  And it ain't gonna be there if you don't start 
doing something about it now.

Esther and her minions have played all of you.  Instead of attacking the Lynn 
Plan and offering reasonable alternatives to protect the At-Large, she's 
suckered you into playing at building democratic institutions, and you're all 
as happy as turkeys on the day before Thanksgiving.   For a lousy thousand 
dollar investment in a website she has diverted all the attention away from 
the coming demise of the At-Large and has effectively manipulated all of you.

Go ahead and enjoy being an At-Large "mechanism".  At this rate, it's all 
that you will ever have.


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