Re: [ALSC-Forum] ICANN Announcement - At-Large List Names Sought; ALSC Forum ...

[eric]

An argument is not what I had in mind.

Some folks speak in a way to get others mollified and pacified when in fact they have a different agenda, that is politics.  Some folks say what they want when they want to even if it does not get a specific agenda driven.

I dare say I have an agenda and that is ridding the internet of people who care about their power more than what is right.  Oh no, I do not know what is right and you probably do but I care and you do not and certainly your alliant miss ICANN does not.

Stability of the internet as long as ATT is the stabilizing factor is not stability miss enron poster child.

Eric

"Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:

 You are quite wrong, Eric, that I am opposed to At Large seats on the Board -- but I am also committed to stability of the Internet -- so yes, I chose to support the At Large Study Group's approach to getting there.   People of good will can differ on processes, have interests which are valid but different, and work toward outcomes which are similar in concept, without wasting their time, and the time of others in unnecessary arguments -- it diverts all from work.You spend a lot of time on this. I don't want to waste your time, or mine, in arguments. Marilyn

-----Original Message-----
From: eric@hi-tek.com [mailto:eric@hi-tek.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:47 AM
To: Cade,Marilyn S - LGA
Cc: William S. Lovell; James Love; Denise Michel ALSC; forum@atlargestudy.org
Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] ICANN Announcement - At-Large List Names Sought; ALSC Forum ...
 

This is extremely insincere,

She is not on the board, got paid to work in the ALSC, is a leading banner carrier for ICANN, interfaces on a regular basis in a closed manners with the staff and BoD members.  She works with and influences policy behind the scenes.

Yes she is not staff.  So why do not you show a little sophistication and not bullshit the world with this kind of spin selling? Yes she is doing her own "managing process" which most of us would soon see go away, she has a history of collusion and ill formed not nice indications.

I am glad you now have branded yourself clearly as a supporter of her agenda.  While I personally like you at least now it is clear you are opposed to AL seats on the board, and therefor I must consider you hostile to my dotcommoners

Sincerely,
Eric

"Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:

I note that Denise Michel is   NOT ICANN staff. 
Really, let's show a little sophistication, here.The average woman on the street can tell the difference between staff who are hired by ICANN and someone who is managing a process, with independent funding. It is a very hard task, by the way, that latter one..Show some recognition for that. I don't agree with your perspective AT ALL.Marilyn

-----Original Message-----
From: William S. Lovell [mailto:wsl@cerebalaw.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:38 PM
To: James Love
Cc: Denise Michel ALSC; forum@atlargestudy.org
Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] ICANN Announcement - At-Large List Names Sought; ALSC Forum ...

James Love wrote:

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What do you and the rest of the ICANN staff mean by "at large structures."
Is this the ICANN way of saying it will do the Lynn plan, where you don't
recognize any single structure to formally represent the public, but you
have these consultations with various groups, that have zero votes on
anything?   I note that the Lynn plan doesn't have much of a role for users
or the public in general other than to have some PR staff person talk to
them.

Jamie

That's the way I've interpreted it as well.  The money Esther Dyson speaks of goes
to ICANN, to be spent as it sees fit, and I've earlier characterized that Announcement
thing as "divide and conquer."  It's typical ICANN chicanery.

Bill Lovell
 

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--------------------from the Lynn proposal------

2.  Manager of Public Participation
  a) Responsible for managing the public comment and participation process
for ICANN on all substantive matters. Will solicit, receive and report to
the Board on all public input on matters put out for public comment.

  b) Responsible for managing all ICANN public forums, public e-mail list,
etc. Provided necessary electronic access to publicize findings and
recommendations, all of which will be available to the public.

  c) Provided with support staff and other resources necessary to carry out
responsibilities effectively


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From: "Denise Michel ALSC" <dmichel@atlargestudy.org>
To: <forum@atlargestudy.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 0
2, 2002 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] ICANN Announcement - At-Large List Names Sought;
ALSC Forum ...

Ok.  As someone who was just elected for a 90 day panel working on this,
what do you mean by "facilitate the creation of At-Large structures."?
Are there some services you are able to provide efforts such as the one

that

I got roped into?

Jamie

What services is icannatlarge.com looking for?

Currently, I'm doing outreach to identify individuals/groups worldwide
interested in organizing At-Large structures, looking for common

objectives

and interests relevant to Internet users and ICANN's mission, and
establishing mechanisms for coordination and cooperation among
(current/future) at-large structures.

Denise

Denise Michel
dmichel@atlargestudy.org